The populist challenge to democracy in germany and europe: threat or corrective?
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The populist challenge to democracy in germany and europe: threat or corrective?
All over Europe, the populist right has taken hold through some shared ideas, such as the rejection of immigrants and of the free circulation of goods and assets, and the opposition to supranational institutions. The consequence of their success, though, may be very different in each country, depending on the steadiness of their liberal and democratic systems. The question arises whether a threat to democracy can be transformed in a democratic corrective.
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2019 - Globalizzazione nazionalismo e rappresentanzaconservatory italian wolfgang i want to make a short comment what mikhail already has presented on the european election at least two comments the first one is the european parliament it's not the most important arena of decision-making within the european union and the right-wing populist will not play a much bigger role than they have played before the real power still lays with a council and here the right-wing populist have much more power because the most important decisions their needs unanimously vote needs the yes the agreement of all governments in the council and here you have hungary you have poland you have the czech republic and maybe in the near future you may have also italy playing a crucial role as a veto player so the proper power and even the proper field of expression of the interest of the right-wing populist will be the council i will immediately jumpstart in to my presentation and here you see the cognitive map which leads me and therefore leads also you through my talk i will briefly talk about the electoral development of right-wing populism and give you some very basic statistics and then i will define populism and right-wing populism somehow different from what has done yesterday in this excellent talk cass mode i will and try to understand populism as a kind of political strategy and you will see this has some neo-kramptian background of it and i think we may understand right-wing populism and the dynamics somehow better i will distinguish between left-wing populism and right-wing populism left-wing populism is quite a different animal and we should maybe stop talking only about populism we should need we should use adjectives like left or right or authoritarian populism and then i try to explain why do i think that right-wing populism is not simply a flash movement it's not simply a flash party which emerges and then it goes away i'm pretty convinced that right-wing populism will be a major factor in the political competition within the european countries so i will give you an explanation why i do think this way and then is it indeed true that right-wing populism is simply a danger for democracy does it entail in specific or under specific conditions also the power to be a corrective what goes wrong in our representative and democracy and then at the end i will reflect a bit what anti-populism can mean do we know how we confront right-wing populism or are we simply the observer or the victims of this new political actors so here you see the electoral evolution of all right-wing populist parties within here the blue line in western europe and here the upper red line in eastern europe it is there is a strong increase of right-wing populist votes but it is not so traumatic in absolute figures so it is about 18 however which party you call right-wing populist there is a certain discussion about these type of parties but except some specific countries they are not the dominant actors they are going to be maybe the dominant actors here in italy who votes for them or who votes for these parties if we are looking to the parameter of education then you will see that the well educated here you see these are the high educated people normally they have a university degree and those people in the orange columns they have a kind of high school education and you here you have people with an elementary education and what we can see clearly in all these countries that those people with a university degree are with the exception of romania and slovakia are crossly under represented so well people with a formal high education do not normally do not vote for right-wing populist parties it is something different if you look to the lowest degree of education it is sometimes they are over-represented as in the czech republic in poland or in switzerland but in the average they are more or less equally represented the strong cohorts the strong social strata you find among the middle education the people with the middle education as you can see here in the orange columns if i would show you then structure of the income the household income you will have more or less the same picture the households with high incomes higher incomes they normally are again crossly under represented among the voters for right-wing populist parties and it's again the lower middle strata who are over represented is there a link is there a relation between those who are the political parties we subsume under right wing populism this is this line and the decline of social democratic party and here you can see that both crafts are narrowing and to put it somehow simply the working-class parties are no longer social democratic or socialist parties in europe are clearly right-wing populist parties blue-collar workers tend to vote for right-wing populist parties and this is one only one of the problems social democratic parties are confronted with in europe at present so you have the typical voter for right-wing populism it is male think about there is a significant over-representation of male voters so think about that women after the discrimination in the 20th century now have a majority and they decide we will suspend the suffrage for male voters so men are not allowed to vote for 10 years you may solve the right-wing populist problem and as you this is a quite an opportunistic remark i know but this is certainly not a realistic strategy to cope with the problem of right-wing populist parties so they are male they are coming normally from rural and small towns they have a lower and medium income and a medium and lower education and the classical anti-right-wing populist voter is female high income well-educated and coming from urban areas from a big cities so what we have seen this is quite important and this is bad news for social democratic parties as well is that most of the right-wing populist parties not all of them but most of them are going to move from a neo-liberal start in economic and social policy now to a kind of social protectionism certainly with some chauvinist traits but they are clearly moving to the left side and this is they pay tribute to their electorates and this is a reason why they are moving in this direction and this is again back a bad news for social democratic parties and they are still most of them are not realizing this new danger for their political future we heard yesterday or some of you and certainly me i heard from cass mote that right-wing populism is a so-called thin centered ideology meaning there is a certain political style we below against those above there is an anti-pluralist component they are anti-liberal and they are considering politics as a zero-sum game there are only winners and losers and they have a certain distance for compromises and therefore they are seeking hosts like the socialist ideology on the one side these are the left-wing populists and the right-wing populists are embarking on nationalism uh anti-feminism and chauvinism but we can understand also right-wing populism as a discursive strategy and this is something what the intellectuals and the few theoreticians of right-wing populisms are propagating it's a kind of scrumptious strategy you have to conquer the cultural hegemony you have to dominate the public discourses you have to impact on the political agenda and if you are doing it then you may have the chance to take over not only the government but the way of doing politics and this is certainly something we can observe and there is a discussion among these theoreticians and intellectuals of these right-wing populist parties the difference between left and right-wing populist party if you uh cons if you look at them through this lenses of discourses how they understand or i would say how they construct the people the people and the nation is constructed to a large extent this is not simply a natural entity and the difference between the left and right wing populists is a following one the right-wing populists are constructing the people on ethnic grounds so to say on a youth sanquinis the idea that the society or the people have to be rather homogeneous in cultural and ethnic terms the left-wing populists are talking about the people as well but they are constructing them as those who are the underprivileged in society the have nots and they have to be constructed as a political subject so they can act and this is something completely different from the definition of the people of the people by the right-wing populist because this is exclusionary they exclude those people who do not ethnically belong or they tend to exclude uh to the nation-state people and the left-wing populism at least in theory tries to include not to exclude to include the socially marginalized people into the political arena in order to create the chance having the having more or less equal life chances as amatyah sen would formulate it so right-wing populism and to some extent left-wing populism are trying to overcome what we have seen from the 1980s onwards a certain kind of post-politics so politics has to be again central in political discourses how can we explain the success and the endurance of right-wing populism and i offer you one explanation this is certainly not the only one but it's one explanation which makes more transparent what is going on on the sociological and the political level and the main argument is there is an oakley a new cleavage a new divide of european societies and i call this new cleavage and divide between cosmopolitans and communitarians who are these cosmopolitans and who are the communitarians so this is a kind of simple uh graph which explains the logic of political and electoral competition in europe you have here the old distributional cleavage between left and right so here you can think about these are the workers and here is capital so this cleavage dominated to a large extent the political competition of the 20th century and it is still working but now you have an even and cleavage which becomes more and more crucial and prominent i call this cleavage a cultural cleavage which cross-cuts the horizontal axis the divide between capital and labor these are as the german sociologist max weber would put it ideal types they may not exist in reality as pure cosmopolitans and pure communitarians and you can think on your own for a moment where would i place myself within these or on these two axis so you can have a cosmopolitan and i explain in a second what i mean you can have a cosmopolitan consciousness but you are still one of those strange people who believe there must be a redistribution of goods and of income and of life chances then you are a left cosmopolitan and these are very often people part of the green movement and to some extent of leftist socialist or the few left-wing populists you still have in europe but if you think about that the nation-state and the political community is still a valid entity and you think i have to relay rely on these nation-state and political communities we should not give up them certainly only because we are enthusiastic europeans and you will see uh there are reasons for that then you can be called a left communitarian and here what i have called neoliberal cosmopolitans these are those people culturally progressive but they do not want to redistribute anymore and you find now more and more and even among the queens in germany people who think this way and you will see one of the major feature of cosmopolitans is that they advocate open borders open borders in a very wide sense goods capital for services but especially for people for the workforce but also for refugees for asylum seekers the borders should be open and the point of reference should not be the nation state should be a cosmopolitan community meaning there should be a cosmopolitan a kind of cosmopolitan citizenship again these are ideal type construction and if you had at least in the past people who are on the right in terms of economic policy i told you this is now changing and they are insisting on the value of the nation-state you can call these people nationalists communitarians or right-wing populists but you have people as i have said in this left uh quadrant where you can think about that the nation state is an important entity for policy making and if you are a member of the lower classes the lower strata then you need a strong welfare state and the problematic thing of a welfare state is you can construct a welfare state only within certain borders on the supreme national level you will not create a strong welfare state and this is one of the dilemmata cosmopolitans may have the propagating a world with out borders or with not very strictly controlled borders but at the same time they have a sense for social justice and the european union to be a bit critical and i'm a convinced europeanist or european but the european union was completely unable to construct a second column next to the column of economic competition and if you wanted to have it somehow simply the european union was a neoliberal machine for removing all the borders for capital and the exchange of goods and services this does not mean that we should return to the nation state but we should be honest we should be critical if we are not critical to the deficits of the european union we cannot really honor the positive sides and we are losing credibility and we are losing credibility so again who are these uh strange animals the cosmopolitans and the communitarians they are again they are the winners of globalization they are among the political cultural administrative and economic elites and we did surveys among the elites across five countries including the united states the elites are normally to to the highest imaginable uh extension they are cosmopolitans only those who are who have to be elected are somewhat more accepting that the nation-state is important but also those people the members of parliament are cosmopolitans they are among the educated urban middle classes and as i have said and argued to you they are for open borders this is more or less the core which defines cosmopolitan they are prepared to transfer sovereignty rights to the european community the basic argument is we have transnational problems climate change which we cannot work or we cannot fight on a national level this is completely correct therefore we have to give up sovereignty rights to the european union again the diplomatic problem here is the moment where a nation-state gives up competences to the european union he gives up rights into a political space which is less democratic than the nation-state at least if we are looking to western europe and we have to be honest we have to say we have to accept that it is not so easy to democratize such a supranational european space but we could argue we may be prepared to give up some of the participatory democratic rights but because we are hoping that the supranational community is better in solving specific problems this is not an easy trade-off but we have to discuss it and we should not go over it simply say we have to give up these competencies if you are a radical democrat you you must be cautious at least so they are in favor of deepening of the european union they are the advocates of multiculturalism and craig colun former president of the london school of economics has called them the frequent flyers of our society and here you have the communitarians again the communitarians are not simply right-wing populists there are two different versions as you can see of them you have they are normally among more among the losers of globalization you find them more among low educated people they want to have a strong nation state and one reason is the welfare state not the only one they are more critical against deepening and widening the european union they want to have a strict control of the borders and in german in german language they speak about a light culture meaning there is a main guiding culture which goes beyond the constitution and addresses also habits customs historical symbols of a society and they have this somehow somehow anachronistic dream that we can go back to homogeneous culturally ethnically homogeneous society and here comes the point we have two versions of it it was to some extent and these are the folks hemet the people who are in favor of the people's home this is a swedish word the swedish word from the valhalla of social democracy meaning that the people's home is a highly solidaristic political and social community there's a high degree of redistribution beyond the market there is a trend and the tendency and the aim that there should be an uh just society and the just again the just redistribution of life chances if you want to find a country now this is a term from the 19 late 1930s if you want to find a country who fulfills this more or less this is denmark denmark is rigidly controlling the borders uh in front of immigrants refugees and people coming in very rigidly and if you read even from left parties sometimes at least from the social democratic parties the program concerning the issue of immigration it reads sometimes as a program of the german afd of right-wing populist party though these are different national contexts we have to take into account but the point is denmark is still during the last 10 15 years always among the best three or five democracies on the globe by far and regardless which measurement you use denmark finland sweden canada those country always at the top top of the best democracies and if you look to equality to the egalitarian issue denmark is much better than most or all countries of the european continent but you have a so to say normatively dirty nasty version of communitarianism and this is a right-wing populism and they may not insist that much on the nation-state because of the welfare state but very much on as i have explained on ethnic ground this is a chauvinist nationalist ethnical understanding what the nation and the nation state is supposed to be what has changed with democracy mikhail said at the beginning uh i am somebody who knows something about a specialist on the crisis of democracy but i'm i'm not sure whether i'm a specialist but i'm cautious to use the term crisis it is used for so many different things and i started at the university in the 1970s and we were already talking about the crisis of late capitalism of democracy and we did not really stop talking about the crisis but if a crisis is a permanent situation then the whole term becomes semantically completely paradox or at least meaningless so i'm not talking about a crisis of democracy and if i would do it then i would say our democracies are in many respects better than they have been in the past in the 50s 60s 70s think about the role of the women think about the role and the rights and the non-rights of homosexuals think about the rights of minorities a tremendous difference today nevertheless these democracies have become very fragile there are major attacks and there are unresolved problems which undermine the stabilities of democracy and i do not run through the whole picture here this is supposed to be a concept of democracy where you have a core i call these partial regimes of democracy these are elections and in order to make democratic election democratically meaningful i argue they have to be embedded into guaranteed political rights but also guaranteed political opportunities to participate you they have to be civil there must be civil rights without civil rights and guaranteed civil rights you cannot really freely participate and there must be a check and balance a control of those who are in power and here the the fifth partial regime those who we are electing those who are in power should be really govern us so the criticism here is we may elect them but they don't govern they only govern themselves they cannot control they cannot steer they cannot guide the economy they are powerless in front of google facebook and other multi-digital multi-national players or deregulated financial markets so here we have certainly an unresolved problem after three or four decades of deregulation and globalization of our societies and markets and what i want to say is simply the changes democracy is undergoing or the unresolved problems you see in the re in the red letters what we have here is a growing socio-social selectivity the thumb rule is the lower the electoral participation the higher is the social selectivity social selectivity means those with lower incomes with lower education do not participate anymore even not in the most easiest form of political participation to they even don't vote one could argue we are rather most of the european west european countries rather stable two-third democracy one-third does not take place it diminished from the political scene so a high social selectivity but and this is also an ambiguous effect of right-wing populism what we have seen during the last five years is an increase in electoral participation across most of the countries in europe meaning it is the polarization driven by right-wing populists of our discourses and political competition which brought people in back into the political arena and with each percentage higher political higher electoral participation the social selectivity diminish what we have here is here i argued polarization can have a positive effect because we are discussing again crucial political question big political question the era of post politics is going is coming to to an end so on the other side we have this courses where we we hear terms we hear words which we not have dared to say or we would not have heard 20 years ago and these are words with us racist subtext with xenophobic contents and these are certainly the very negative aspects of the increasing polarization of our societies and discourses what we have especially already going on in eastern europe is dismantling of certain civil rights there is a liberal trend and victor orban the prime minister of hungary and semi-authoritarian leader already propagates that the future of democracy is not these weak liberal democracies are the stronger illiberal democracies where the majority 50.1 if it is necessary decides what is going on the winner takes it all by the way if you read these speeches of viktor orban you feel remembered at singapore already in the 1980s there was a discussion among the legendary uh governor lee kuan yew and lee kuan yew was already propagating this kind of illiberal democracy and if there is an alternative to liberal democracies especially in asia then it is singapores they understand democracy simply as majoritarian meaning what i have said 50.1 percent is sufficient they exclude the opposition and they are not exclusive they are not sensitive uh to minorities and here you have a trend to re-nationalization which is a response if you want or if you don't want to some extent respond to the specific kind of neoliberal globalization we have seen during the last two or three decades one word on a comparison this is certainly something not unproblematic but i was thinking about italy and germany what is the difference in right-wing populism why is right-wing populism in italy stronger than in germany and here you see some factors and arguments italy has a weak state in many respects and germany has the tradition of a rather strong state we can discuss later on why this is a major difference if it comes to the success of right-wing populists italy uh has from the beginning from 48 onwards unstable governments germany has had most of the time rather stable governments right-wing populism is now with the lager in government right-wing populism is still ostracized from the political discourse in from the official discourse in germany and no co no party would even dare to say yes we in maybe in the future we will have a coalition with right-wing populists there may be coalition but there's still what i have here uh put the last point historical legacy there is still this legacy of the nazi barbarism in germany which is still strong and there was a consensus among the among the public that a right-wing populist party should never enter the government should even not be invited at television talks and with the year 2015 the influx of refugees and asylum seekers this has been broken to some extent i do not want to say it was a mistake to let the people go in but this is certainly a consequence of it that this strong post-war taboo is going to be eroded in germany you do not have such a strong uh legacy in italy the momento so daliano a neo-fascist party was in the 50s 60s already here in italy whereas mostly these kind of successor parties were banned in germany there is certainly a difference between the economic prosperity in both countries italy was a no growth country for the last two decades and germany was rather strong in these uh 20 years is to come to the end is right-wing populism a threat to democracy and i give you first a very lousy answer and the lousy answer is it depends and it depends on what if you there is a big difference whether populism is in opposition or in government if it is in opposition it may give messages deliver messages to the established party that they left a representational gap that they should do something different that there are people who do not feel represented by them and they at least have to recognize there is a democratic problem however if they are in government then they influence specific policies and mostly with an illiberal character and there is a difference if there are the junior partner as it is a case in or has been the case in austria and still is the case in italy at least in nominal terms or if they are the dominant actor in government as in poland and as it is the case in hungary and there's also a difference between rather stable democracies in western europe and less stable and less consolidated democracies in eastern europe and this explains to some extent why right-wing populists are so powerful among the east european countries functionally i would say is it a threat or not or let me a brief word this goes quite easily i would say normatively it is a big problem they are exclusionary they do not accept minorities with the same right and so on and they frame political discourse in ethnic terms which create nationalism and exclusionary tendencies socioeconomically it is something open to discussion whether this is a rebellion of losers and they they send the message to those who are governing that there should be changes if it comes to the functional impact on democracy they may have positive they may have positive effects as well they are mobilizing the society great topics are grand topics are discussed and this is why left-wing populists like ernesto laglau and chantal muff are very much in favor of a populist style because they argue only these populist mobilization in brackets a left populist mobilization may challenge the rule uh of the elites of our society and they bring to some extent the lower classes back in but to play with words they are to some extent responsive these right-wing populists to the demand of those who do not feel represented but they are without responsibility for the whole for democracy as a whole so you have an enhanced responsiveness but without responsibility so what to do what to do against right-wing populist parties with all in all are a major challenge to liberal democracy and we have to confess empirically we do not know very much we have anecdotic anecdotal evidence in italy that obviously the coalition strengthen the liga and we have it in other scandinavian countries where right-wing populists were quite often in governments formally or informally but there is no systematic analysis so far the different instruments could be to ignore this is what happened in germany at the beginning just to pretend these political force does not exist they were not really invited to public talks and the media did not really report about them but this was no longer possible to fight them with normative arguments because what cosmopolitans do the problem is always that very often the fight is not against populism it is against populists or populist voters and very soon and this is not only true for the academic sphere very often the cosmopolitans are insisting the truth is on their side it's not only the right-wing populists who are claiming we know what is true for our society but this is also the case for uh cosmopolitans with a certain eu press and a certain distinct content of the lower classes in their uh countries so uh we have to be cautious how we conduct these debates should we exclude them i would argue at least we should not coalize or the established party should not coalize with them though i consider it as a mistake what partito democratico did after the election that they did not explore more intensively whether there could be a collision uh between them and cinque steli so lega entered government and the same is true what the conservatives did in austria so uh we have to be cautious in our debates we should not be so arrogant we should not be immediately with the accusation you are xenophobic you are machist and machismo following an uh kind of majesmo and you are xenophobic the problem is certainly there must be red line and this is not something we can uh answer in a general way i leave it with that and i thank you very much for the patience having listened to me thank you okay hi that was a really great talk i found it really interesting so you you spoke about some of the demographics um that are voting for these right-wing populist parties um i was just wondering you missed off age as a democrat as a demographic and i come from a country where that recently voted for what could be said to be a right-wing populist movement in brexit um and that was overwhelmingly voted for by old people so how how do you see age fitting into the right-wing populace okay actually age is not something which distinguished from the normal structure the age structure of the society it's not the most youngest cohort which votes for right-wing populists but it is more or less the people between 30 and 50 years which are on the average in europe the strongest cohort with right-wing populist preferences but if you have a country like hungary where you have 50 of the people voting for a fides then you have more or less the structure of the age structure the social structure of the society and sorry to say there is a decline of catch all parties all over europe and the only one catch-all party really left is this authoritarian and right-wing party fetish so it's a more precise difference if we go to countryside and urban areas if we look at the educational level if you look at the income level but the classical right-wing voter is something in the middle and not the pensioners and not uh the youngest cohorts so you are coming from uk or where are you hi i'm sonia i was wondering about the uh responsiveness versus responsibility point you raised before i was wondering um it might be something we still cannot know because there's no uh i mean it's too much uh far away in the future we can't really have the answer but if you could have any assumptions that would be amazing um can populist parties govern for a long time and still be populists or are they going to fade away with their responsiveness gaining responsibility or i mean do they have to transform or can they stay populist and have this response responsiveness still when they're in power thank you yeah very good question even the responder should not qualify a question is good or not so good but this is a question we are thinking about the anti-populist strategy as well and the reasoning was the following as a protest party in opposition you can come up with maximalist demands you can criticize completely the establishment before you become establishment on your own normally i would argue government hasn't passified effect on the radicalism of political parties because they are integrated in an international structure of trade of treaties and so forth and they have to at least accept some rules of the market for example nevertheless if we look to eastern europe if you look if we look to poland and hungary we have parties which are now for a longer time and the second or third time in governments which did not de-radicalize which started to dismantle certain liberal positions and structures and of course newspapers in the case of hungary so they did not follow a responsible policy but they were considered to be responsive to the hardcore client clientele of right-wing populism if you look to the strange strange populist donald trump so you uh see he can say what he wants where we very often think now this is his end this is what we thought during his campaign but his followers feel uh that he is responsive to their claim because here they found somebody who hears them which the established parties did not nevertheless the voters still are right-wing populist voters are not only convinced xenophobics and so forth there is always an amount of protest votes but this has disappeared in eastern europe and i'm not sure and or i'm more optimistic it will not easily disappear in west in western europe as well this is a difference between well-established democracies and less consolidated democracies in the east and italy will be in the next year one case we have to observe we have to observe and whether there is a chance and obviously if the dynamic keeps on there is a chance that the liga becomes the dominant actor in government and the lager probably has to be less xenophobic because they are supported by the by business in northern italy and businesses open for in favor of open borders so there are limits to it and so there is the hope if they really becomes the dominant actors they have to look to these more cosmopolitan positions you find among business people a in germany a we have to take into account that we cannot easily extrapolate from the european elections if there are national elections the greens will not be the strongest parties in this party in most of these big cities they will have strongholds especially where you have strong university a strong university people uh population so these are to some extent second order election and this was a peak and of green of the greens in germany and to some extent in in austria but if you look to the other countries in europe the greens do not really appear you will have find some in the netherlands in france and maybe in scandinavia and in southern europe you don't have them you and in eastern europe greens do not really exist what is true that if you have this cleavage between these those who are in favor of open borders and to close the borders and especially if the greens are so to say the monopolist interpreters how to fight climate change this was the decisive point at the end of the european elections in germany that the greens were the only one who could create some credibility that they are in favor to fight climate change whatever it costs and you have asked about the young population the young population was especially the one who was voting for the greens but according to my perception greens cannot become what germans call the people party or catch all party they are the party of the privilege they are the party of the best educated in in the german society and they will not reach the lower sectors of our societies here you see limits uh for the expansion of the greens but i have a question how did you call i did not understand it in italian how did you come us ah now i got it foreign probably the last question i'm too ignorant and too agnostic and not empathetic enough and i don't think he or i should be cautious where i'm more certain if we take a country like germany if we take countries like scandinavia if we like like eastern europe i don't think he will have any impact on the development of of right-wing populist party or of cosmopolitans and if i would have to place the chiesa catholica in this cleavage line of communitarians and cosmopolitans even it in some ex to some extent is a very cosmopolitan institution without borders and you you find the believers catholic believers all over the world on the other side i'm i'm rather skeptical that he that the pope will have a major impact on on this kind of evolution he has a bigger impact if it comes to the third world if it comes to hunger in the world if it comes to misery and even social policies sometimes that's what you find among bishops catholic bishops in germany as well and they they have a communitarian in some way a communitarian base if it comes to certain values they are not very much in favors of lbgtq and i'm even not sure whether i had even now uh problems to spell it uh whether the vaticano can really spell it so uh i'm i'm too ignorant and this is not a good answer i i should not even have tried it la crisi economica a starting point certainly not a starting point for right-wing populism and right-wing populist success but what economic crisis creates they create uncertainty and uncertainty is a ground where populists of both sides can mobilize can mobilize against those who are in power because those who are in power are the ones who were made responsible for the economic crisis and then the way they tried to solve the economic crisis but if you look then to europe there's a complete different picture if you look from the south the recipient countries or you look for from the north uh the donor countries or the guaranteeing countries so then you have a complete different point of view of the right-wing populist right-wing populists think in germany on this matter we should not give that much or guarantee uh the money for the uh failing economic states in southern europe but this is completely different if you are a populist party in the south you have good arguments to opt and to act against this introduced austerity policy from the north so you see there are splits running through european uh right-wing populists because they are nationalists and you have nationalist differences and different interests in the nation states and this gives hope that they will not form so to say and powerful acting unified subject in the european union super you
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